6th gen 4Runner pricing estimate vs Land Cruiser vs GX550

Kurt is out with a 6th gen 4Runner pricing estimate, interesting comparison.



https://youtu.be/pluZHoTx0tk?si=Uh0xV9jrjfA7sGp6

 

Interesting indeed.

He is right though, below $50k the 4R makes sense.

But one thing that doesn't make sense to me is the exterior dimensions. They're pretty much within similar exterior dimensions. But in the videos and pictures, the 4R does look like it has a smaller interior. Is it me or what?

Toyota needed to differentiate the 4R more from the LC and GX, at least it's gotta be in pricing. Hopefully that's the case.

 

Land Cruiser's height is 5.3 inches taller, so the 4Runner has the smaller interior.

 

But width wise it looks a tad narrower at least to me. Seems like the wheel arches (without fender flares) stick out a little more from the body than the LC/GX design.

 

Here is a good side by side spec comparison comparison, but you're right, the wheel arches are the wild card.

 

Yup! That is the differentiating factor. Another thing too and idk if it's been confirmed, but the LC/GX are more than 1000 lbs heavier than the current 5th gen. I'd imagine maybe the 6th should be within 5th gen weight range with the non-hybrid I4... the hybrid will definitely be a couple hundred pounds heavier than the non-hybrid I4.

 

yeah i dont think those pricing estimates are even close for the 6th gen. no way to re-coup the r&d for the new engine, frame, etc for the trims limited and down.

 

here is a small comparison of how much the priced changed from the 23 tacoma to the 24 tacoma

2023 Tacoma Double Cab
SR $30,765
SR5 $32,615
TRD Sport $38,100
TRD Off Road $38,125
Limited $42,690
Trail $43,155
TRD PRO $49,370


2024 Tacoma Double Cab 4x4 5ft (toyota website)
SR $38,395
SR5 $41,965
TRD Sport $44,095
TRD Off Road $44,395
Limited $53,595


toyotoa doesnt list the trd pro or trail hunter for the 2024 MY yet.

edit : this falls in line with how much the price increased from the 2021 tundra vs the 2022 and the minor bumps in 23 and 24

 

That's the beauty of the TNGA-F platform with minor adjustments it's adaptable to various sizes and weights. For example, it's the same frame as the LC250/GX550 and the same powertrain as the Tacoma. So your R&D is spread across many models.

TNGA-F (GA-F)
The TNGA-F platform underpins body-on-frame vehicles in the mid- and full-size SUV and mid- and full-size pickup truck categories.[31] It supports a wheelbase length of 2,850–4,180 mm (112.2–164.6 in).

Vehicles using platform (calendar years):

• Toyota 4Runner — N410 (2024)
• Toyota Land Cruiser — J300 (2021–present)[32]
• Lexus LX — J310 (2021–present)[33]
• Toyota Land Cruiser Prado — J250 (2023–present)
  • Lexus GX — J250 (2023–present)
• Toyota Sequoia — XK80 (2022–present)[34]
• Toyota Tacoma — N400 (2023–present)
• Toyota Tundra — XK70 (2021–present)[35][36]

 

I would like to know what the cargo bay length is 5th vs. 6th gen with the second row seats folded down.

 

Man, I sure wished TNGA-F allowed for a vehicle narrower than 77 inches (but I get it may be feasible and they just decided not to.)

 

Why on earth is the ground clearance on the Land Cruiser so much less than the 4runner?

 

My personal speculation, perhaps Toyota is targeting the GX550, Land Rover or Subaru buyers for a larger percentage of sales (that answers the why Land Cruiser / 4Runner overlap question). If so, the extra 1.2 inches of ground clearance will hardly be noticeable in the school parking lot, Starbucks or the mall.

 

As Texas pointed out, LC prob aimed more at the Range Rover crowd who can't afford a Range Rover. Which means parking curbs at the mall are the most ground clearance need.

4Runner = current owners

LC = Range Rover types who can't afford a Range Rover + 4Runner owners who want more and can afford more

GX = Range Rover types who can almost afford a Range Rover, but not quite.

 

Here's a good video comparing the mechanicals / physicals of the 4Runner vs. Land Cruiser, by David Chao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxNfKcV8CJw

 

It's interesting to see the LandCruiser designed by a Japanese lead designer, next to the 4Runner designed by their US team.

David said they went through changes with their paint process. Very interesting. Would like to know more but couldn't find any info on google.

 

to make up for the taller cabin to meet height restrictions. otherwise the LC is the same dimensions as the 4R except cabin height and ground clearance.

once you go over a certain height, fed regs requires 3 amber lights on the top of the roof.

same goes for width, once you go past a certain width, fed rules requires side marker lights i think or was it the 3 lights in the front. cant remember that rule.

 

ugh him and tundra dude i cant stand to watch, mostly listen to. voice just grates on me to no end. and he plays on the fact that he did engineer work for all brands, not specific to toyota. giving the impression that he knows more about toyota than most when he never really worked for toyota (he worked for GM)

 

He's not a design engineer, he's a manufacturing efficiency trainer, nothing he has ever said makes me believe he is a degreed engineer. Manufacturing engineering is a completely different disipline from design engineering, sometimes manufacturing experts are given the title "manufacturing engineer".

My fellow engineers will concur the minute they hear him talk and repeat everything three times. He's right up there with the other ultra annoying youtubers, Doug D and Scotty.

 

The You Tuber Tinkerer’s Adventure does sound like an engineer, based on my Career in the Auto Industry. He puts out interesting stuff. https://youtu.be/c0CqIZJAx9k?si=9bT7NTvvkLBQL7t3

 

Oh my god! He repeats himself and he repeats his videos with the same content! At one point I was desperate for LC and Gx updates and watched him, it was horrible to go through his videos. Nothing new just rehash of same things.

 

Yep, agreed. Its been a long time and I havent really practiced my degree in a long time but the armchair engineers on youtube who dont havea clue what they are talking about drive me nuts also.


I do like tinkerer... Really well spoken and is good at explaining things in terms simple enough for anybody to follow without dumbing it down. Suprised he is not more well known.

 

Funny thing, the more and more reviews I watch on these three vehicles - the more hte GX and Land Cruiser are growing on me. The GX is going to be simply badass with that big turbo v6 and its tow rating but the interior doesnt do anything for me so far.

When I first saw it I was meh but I think Im starting to like LC best in spite of its odd position in the lineup.. Most of what you get in the Lexus sans the huge tow rating, but not as pretentious and the badging/interior design is not as showy as the 4Runner...

hmmmm....

 

This is true. He does drone on... holding hiimself out to be an engineer is not cool either.

 

When the GX twin turbo gets the iForce Max option with the supplemental electric power and is putting out Sequoia power levels in a smaller lighter package of a 550, that will be the game changer. Toyota will need to keep the TTV6 in the Lexus and Sequoia to maintain differentiation from the lower models.

 

Tinkerer isn't as popular because his videos are mostly substance, not flash. Definitely the most educational videos on these vehicles that I've ever seen.

He also strikes me more as a mechanic than an engineer (not an insult, just in case), although there can be plenty of overlap.

 

No insult taken, I actually started as a mechanic, then joined the Air Force as an electronics technician before becoming an engineer. Some of the best engineers I know can actually design, fabricate and assemble their product, including wrenching, soldering, or whatever the discipline, being booksmart only is highly overrated.

True story, my first interview right out of the Air Force, for an aerospace company, my then future boss asked me if I knew what a crescent wrench was, LOL, he'd seen too many booksmart technicians and engineers that were clueless in the lab, I got hired on the spot.